×
INDI Library v1.8.1 Released (09 Sep 2019)

Monthly maintenance release INDI v1.8.1

USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi

3 months 2 weeks ago
Maxchess
Senior Boarder
Senior Boarder
Posts: 56
More
Topic Author
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39813
Hi,
I have been successful running Indi?Ekos as Stellarmate on my RPI which sits on my Pier in my Roll off shed. I then VNC in, either from the shed or from my house. All my devices connect via a Powered USB3 Hub: Eqmod,-HEQ5, DSLR, Moonlite Focuser, Joystick, Guide CCD. It works great. BUT I now want to use a CCD camera and am finding that the USB2 ports on the RPI with files stored on the local SD card are too slow. I tried using a ZWO ASI178MC (Not Cooled) and got very severe amp glow. There is no buffer on this camera. As an experiment I connected the ASI178MC direct to my Dell XPS laptop vis USB3 to a SSD drive everyting else still via the RPI and get virtually no Ampglow.

I am considering getting the ASI 294MC Pro which ZWO says " includes a 256MB DDR3 memory buffer to help improve data transfer reliability. Additionally, the use of a memory buffer minimizes amp-glow, which is caused by the slow transfer speeds when the camera is used with a USB 2.0 port." I posted on the ZWO site to ask if this meant I would get no Amplow on my RPI. They replied that it would help but USB3 is preferred.

So my question is what should my future INDI/EKOS platform be? Maybe the ASI 294MC Pro will be OK connected to the PI. if not will running on a ROCK64 with SSD be better, or will I need a much faster machine and just run INDi/EKOS under windows on my Dell XPS?
I am very interested in anyone who has practical experience of this.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
wvreeven
Platinum Boarder
Platinum Boarder
Posts: 1002
Karma: 6
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39814
A similar question was asked a few weeks ago. Please see this thread:

www.indilib.org/forum/ekos/5134-what-dev...nning-kstars-on.html


Wouter

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with a SkyWatcher Esprit 80 ED on a SkyWatcher HEQ5-Pro

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with an 8" TS Ritchey-Chrétien on a SkyWatcher EQ6-R
The following user(s) said Thank You Maxchess

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
Ihoujin
Platinum Boarder
Platinum Boarder
Posts: 623
Karma: 3
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39821
I am currently seriously considering the new Odroid-N2 as an upgrade.

INDI/KStars on Raspberry Pi 3B+
Lubuntu 16.04
Skywatcher HEQ5 Pro Mount
Canon 600D Camera
Orion SSAG @280mm Guide Scope
PHD2
Adafruit Motor Hat shield
Adafruit GPS Module
Generic Bluetooth Joystick.
Startech 7 port powered USB Hub.
The following user(s) said Thank You AstroNerd

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
Maxchess
Senior Boarder
Senior Boarder
Posts: 56
More
Topic Author
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39822
Wouter,
Yes, I looked at that thread, but it did not really address the AmpGlow problem.
I know that Indi/Ekos will run on the Rock64Pro which has USB3, however reading up on the subject I have learned that USB3 performance can vary considerably and a bottleneck might be the storage device it is writing to. So I wanted to know if the Rock has solved Ampglow problems.
Similarly the ASI 294MC Pro has memory buffers, so does anyone run it on the RPI/USB2 and is it OK?
I don't want to buy the Rock if it the RPI problem goes away with the buffers or if it not fast enough.
Max

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
wvreeven
Platinum Boarder
Platinum Boarder
Posts: 1002
Karma: 6
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39827
OK just making sure. FWIW I run KStars on a MinisForum Z83-F mini-pc, which has USB3, and I use an ASI1600MM-Pro cooled. No amp glow whatsoever in my images.


Wouter

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with a SkyWatcher Esprit 80 ED on a SkyWatcher HEQ5-Pro

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with an 8" TS Ritchey-Chrétien on a SkyWatcher EQ6-R
The following user(s) said Thank You Maxchess

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
Maxchess
Senior Boarder
Senior Boarder
Posts: 56
More
Topic Author
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39830
Which spec do you have? Amazon UK lists three: 2+32GB (£99.99) ; 4+32Gb ( £107.90) 4+64GB (£129.90) , so might look at 4+32GB. Do you run windows or Ubuntu? Attraction is cheap and no setup.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
wvreeven
Platinum Boarder
Platinum Boarder
Posts: 1002
Karma: 6
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39831
I have the 4x64 Gb because the pics of the ASI1600MM tend to be large and with exposures of 60 sec the disk tends to fill up rapidly. I run Ubuntu. No Windows in my house! Plus INDI doesn’t run on Windows haha I connect remotely via VNC from my iPad or MacBook.

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with a SkyWatcher Esprit 80 ED on a SkyWatcher HEQ5-Pro

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with an 8" TS Ritchey-Chrétien on a SkyWatcher EQ6-R

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
wvreeven
Platinum Boarder
Platinum Boarder
Posts: 1002
Karma: 6
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39832
By the way, with the latest BIOS the Z83-F doesn’t boot without an HDMI device connected. A simple cable will not do the trick so I bought a few cheap HDMI to VGA converters and that works. I filed a request for reversal of this change in the BIOS via the MinisForum support email address and they replied that their developers are looking into it.

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with a SkyWatcher Esprit 80 ED on a SkyWatcher HEQ5-Pro

ASI1600MM-Pro Cooled and filter wheel with an 8" TS Ritchey-Chrétien on a SkyWatcher EQ6-R

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago 3 months 2 weeks ago by AstroNerd.
AstroNerd
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 589
Karma: 1
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39835
When you guys run INdI on a device other than using Stellarmate or Astroberry on an rpi, so on the mini PC you mention, how do you get it to create a hotspot so you can connect to it in the field, (similar to SM hotspot) as I can’t find a simple way to do it.. :)

Stellarmate OS BETA on Raspberry pi4b
Skywatcher EQ8 pro
Meade series 5000 80mm triplet Apo & Meade 8” SCT (de-forked)
Starlight Xpress SXVR H18, SXVR M25c, Lodestar Guide Camera
Pegasus Ultimate Hub for all USB & Power
Pegasus focus motors on both scopes

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
jerry
Expert Boarder
Expert Boarder
Posts: 97
Karma: 1
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39839

I am currently seriously considering the new Odroid-N2 as an upgrade.


I have been eyeing that as well. If you go for it, please let me know.

Thanks
Jerry

10" Meade SCT on Celestron CGEM DX HC: GEM 5.29.7137 MC: 6.50 6.50,
QHY-5L-II-M 1280x960 3.75um guiding,
Nikon Z7 8256 x 5504, 35.9 x 23.9mm 4.34 um pixel size.
StellarMate OS on RPI4 using kstars-bleeding and Kstars on Odroid-N2.
The following user(s) said Thank You Ron Kramer

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago 3 months 1 day ago by petarm. Reason: spelling
petarm
Expert Boarder
Expert Boarder
Posts: 111
Karma: 1
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39843
Hi astronerd, i just use this, it works like a charm. I just upgraded my compute stick today and everything works!!!

github.com/Patrick-81/NAFABox

Lots of trial and error, mainly error, but in hindsight, it was easy!!!
Takahashi FC100DF, Skywatcher HEQ5 Pro via Wifi, QHY-163C, Canon 550D, DIY Moonlite focuser, ZWO ASI 224MC on Orion 50mm guider, VNC to Asus Tinker Board in hot spot mode running Ubuntu Mate and KStars/Ekos

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 2 weeks ago
AstroNerd
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 589
Karma: 1
More
USB3 may force me to move off of Raspberry Pi #39849

petarm wrote: Hi astronerd, i just use this, it works like a charm. I just upgraded mu compute stick today and everything works!!!

github.com/Patrick-81/NAFABox


I looked at that but really don’t understand it... :(

Stellarmate OS BETA on Raspberry pi4b
Skywatcher EQ8 pro
Meade series 5000 80mm triplet Apo & Meade 8” SCT (de-forked)
Starlight Xpress SXVR H18, SXVR M25c, Lodestar Guide Camera
Pegasus Ultimate Hub for all USB & Power
Pegasus focus motors on both scopes

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.300 seconds