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New User - A speed question

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New user transitioning to INDI. I have been slowly getting all the components of KStar/EKOS to work over the past couple of weeks.

My setup:
  • Raspberry Pi3B running the INDI Library
  • Skywatchrer EQ6R
  • Canon EOS 77D DSLR
  • Sigma 70-200mm Zoom with 2/x Extender
  • ZWO 30mm guide scope w/ASI120mc camera

So far I have everything connected and working using KStars/EKOS on my laptop connected through my WiFi network to the Raspberry Pi. I have been able to align, guide and capture images.

However, the downloading of the images whether I'm capturing subs or images for alignment is very slow. It takes 40-60 seconds to download one image. I'm thinking there must something I'm doing wrong either in my process or my setup. I'm hoping someone might have some suggestions for me.

Also, is there a way to just save images to the SD card and not have them download? Once I'm happy with the image, it would be nice to speed things up by just running a sequence of captures where it only saves on the camera SD card.

I have format set to native and upload set to client. I am using the offline solver in alignment (with Astrometry loaded on the Raspberry Pi).
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Replied by Doug S on topic New User - A speed question

Moving up the speed chain from 2.4Ghz wireless, you could consider 5Ghz wireless (if available to you). If you don't mind an additional wire, you could consider Ethernet (which would be the fastest option). Other thoughts might be to bite the bullet and go with a Rpi4 (4 or 8 GB). That would get you to USB3 speed. Add an SSD, and you could hold all your images local until you were ready to download. There are other upgrade options, but these are fairly straightforward to faster speed.
RASA11, Celestron CGX-L, ASI183mc Pro, 60mm guider + ASI290mm mini, ASI EAF focuser, PPB, Rpi4-4Gb+SSD, Powered USB3 hub, hardwire Ethernet.
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Yes you can save to the SD card. In EKOS set the Upload option to Local. Then set the Remote directory to /home/pi/whatever
If your userid is not pi then change the remote directory accordingly.
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RPi3 Ubuntu Server 20.04, Windows 10 AMD64, AAEON UP Core Ubuntu Desktop 20.04
Avalon M-Uno, EQ6 Pro, Atik420, ASI1600MM-C, ASI120MM-S, DBK21AU04, ZWO EFW, Optec TCFSi
Vixen R150S, GSO RC8, ST80
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Replied by Doug S on topic New User - A speed question

As kengs suggests, you can save images to the SD card, but it's not advisable as a long term strategy. SD cards are not really made for highly repetitive storage (as compared to an SSD). Expect the SD to wear out and fail at some point. I would tread lightly and ALWAYS have a backup SD burned and ready for when your SD fails....
RASA11, Celestron CGX-L, ASI183mc Pro, 60mm guider + ASI290mm mini, ASI EAF focuser, PPB, Rpi4-4Gb+SSD, Powered USB3 hub, hardwire Ethernet.
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FWIW, I've always run the entire process on the RPi--that is, only use the laptop as a display/keyboard.
That worked well, and I used an RPi3b for a year doing that (the year ending the day my RPi4 got delivered).
Time from end of capture to file on SDCard should be under 10s for that.

That said, today I would not use a 3b, but rather a 4Gb RPi4.
The cost is minimal compared to the rest of the equipment you have, and it's a significant upgrade.
Time to download from the camera to the RPi4 should be in the 2s range, though I haven't looked closely lately.
AP1100 & Orion Atlas Pro, WO/ZS105 w/Moonlight V2 focus, GSO RC10 w/RSF focus
ZWO ASI1600, Astronomik Filters, ST80, QHY 5L-IIm.
KStars/Ekos/Indi on NUC10 & RPi4 w/SSD -- Ubuntu
Projects: Greedy Scheduler, Terrain, Polar Align, Analyze, Linear Focuser, SEP MultiStar & GPG Guide, FITS autostretch.
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Wow! Thanks everyone for the quick replies:

dmsummers and hy and kengs - Great suggestion on the RPi4. I now have one on order and running the entire process on the Raspberry Pi makes a lot of sense. This will also give me the opportunity to move up to 5GHz Wifi (if I can manage the distance from the Pi to my access point). I considered connecting the Pi directly through Ethernet, but I don't want to snake a cable from outside to inside during those hot buggy summer nights or cold winter nights when I run everything from inside. When I take my laptop outside near the mount, then I'll give an Ethernet connection a try.

dmsummeers - I only use the SD card for capture on my camera and then move all the files to my NAS and process from there.
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Actually, assuming you're powering your equipment outside with your house's A/C, you may not need to "snake a cable from outside".
I've been successfully using these: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WP2ZT5N/ref..._title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
powerline ethernet adapters and they work well, and are more reliable for me than the WiFi was.
AP1100 & Orion Atlas Pro, WO/ZS105 w/Moonlight V2 focus, GSO RC10 w/RSF focus
ZWO ASI1600, Astronomik Filters, ST80, QHY 5L-IIm.
KStars/Ekos/Indi on NUC10 & RPi4 w/SSD -- Ubuntu
Projects: Greedy Scheduler, Terrain, Polar Align, Analyze, Linear Focuser, SEP MultiStar & GPG Guide, FITS autostretch.
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Replied by Doug S on topic New User - A speed question

Not sure how many frames you collect each night, but just keep in mind that the SD card will wear eventually. Still a good idea to have a backup. You'll be happy you have a Pi4, but remember that before you try to use the USB3 ports, you definitely need to switch to 5Ghz wireless (or run that Ethernet cable). 2.4Ghz won't work. The other thing to watch out for is power. Make sure your power supply is either the "official" one, or that you use a USB3 powered hub for your connections. It's tempting to use all those USB ports to power your goodies, but just don't! Use a powered hub and only have the data return from the hub back to the PI4. You'll be happier. Cheers, Doug
RASA11, Celestron CGX-L, ASI183mc Pro, 60mm guider + ASI290mm mini, ASI EAF focuser, PPB, Rpi4-4Gb+SSD, Powered USB3 hub, hardwire Ethernet.
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While waiting for my Raspberry Pi4, I followed the suggestion to capture the pix from my DSLR directly on the Raspberry Pi3. Wow, big speed improvement and I can quickly look at the captured image using VNC on my lap to connect to the Pi and display the Canon CR2 file.

Now I just need to figure out how to speed up using Ekos Align.

After polar aligning the mount, I go from the parked home position and slew to the first alignment star (typically Vega). It just seems to take a long time from capture picture to the solution. The longest time seems to be from capturing image to starting the solver. I have tried running both the remote solver (with astrometry on the Raspberry Pi) and the online solver. It takes 1:30m to capture and image receive. Solving iteration takes about 100 sec. So with about 8 iterations to get to a solution, it takes awhile for the first star alignment.

I have the Raspberry Pi connected directly to the EQ6-R mount and controlling it with EQMOD. I was going to try and use the hand controller to do the initial alignment, but I have problems if both the hand controller and Raspberry Pi are connected to the mount. There seems to be some sort of conflict.

I'm curious if any other EQ6-R users have suggestions on speeding up alignment.
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Something wrong with your align setup. It takes 5 or 10 seconds plus the capture length for me (everything running on RPi4, ASI1600 camera, 600mm focal-length refractor).

Make sure you have setup an internal solver -- that is, don't have it go out to the astrometry.net website, do it all internally, and do it on your RPi. See the options for that at the bottom of the align page.
Probably the easiest setup and quickest solving is ASTAP, see www.hnsky.org/astap.htm to install on your RPi (you need to both install the program and either the G17 or V16 star database).
Then check ASTAP on the bottom of the align page. You can also install and use the internal astrometry.net with its star database.
I usually downsample the images by 3 or so with my ASI1600.
If this is not working quickly for you (e.g. < 15s iteration, perhaps less on a RPi4, I guess less than twice that on a RPi3) please post details on what you're doing -- e.g. image of your align page and what's running on what.

Hy
AP1100 & Orion Atlas Pro, WO/ZS105 w/Moonlight V2 focus, GSO RC10 w/RSF focus
ZWO ASI1600, Astronomik Filters, ST80, QHY 5L-IIm.
KStars/Ekos/Indi on NUC10 & RPi4 w/SSD -- Ubuntu
Projects: Greedy Scheduler, Terrain, Polar Align, Analyze, Linear Focuser, SEP MultiStar & GPG Guide, FITS autostretch.
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Hy:

Thanks so much for your detailed and quick reply! As I mentioned, I'm using a Raspberry Pi3B while I wait for my Pi4. I have installed Astrometry on the Raspberry Pi and have tried using it for alignment and it works (occasionally I get solver timed out message), but slowly. I'm going to give ASTAP a try. Thanks for the tip. Based on your experience, I now see what's possible.

I'll post back with my results. One other question, are there some setup parameters that I should change for the mount (EQ6-R Pro) to improve the solving process (i.e.. less iterations).

Regards,

Peter
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Still something wrong, as, although astap is faster, you should still be ok with a local astrometry.net.
Can you verify that your "slow" system is using the internal solver (as opposed to sending requests out to the web)?
FWIW, here are some pictures of what my align setup looks like for a local astrometry.net solve
photos.app.goo.gl/p3ZeWiyfwjDwwyyw8
Make sure "offline" is checked for you.

Note, if you moved that to astap, all you'd do (after installing astap) is check the astap box at the bottom of the first image in the album.
AP1100 & Orion Atlas Pro, WO/ZS105 w/Moonlight V2 focus, GSO RC10 w/RSF focus
ZWO ASI1600, Astronomik Filters, ST80, QHY 5L-IIm.
KStars/Ekos/Indi on NUC10 & RPi4 w/SSD -- Ubuntu
Projects: Greedy Scheduler, Terrain, Polar Align, Analyze, Linear Focuser, SEP MultiStar & GPG Guide, FITS autostretch.
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