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Remote Astrometry

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Replied by David James on topic Remote Astrometry

Can check on both astrometry.net and kstars-bleeding with the 'apt-cache policy':

astroberry@astroberry:~ $ apt-cache policy astrometry.net
astrometry.net:
Installed: 0.76+dfsg-3+b1
Candidate: 0.76+dfsg-3+b1
Version table:
*** 0.76+dfsg-3+b1 500
500 raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian buster/main armhf Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

astroberry@astroberry:~ $ apt-cache policy kstars-bleeding
kstars-bleeding:
Installed: 6:3.4.0
Candidate: 6:3.4.2
Version table:
6:3.4.2 500
500 www.astroberry.io/repo buster/main armhf Packages
*** 6:3.4.0 100
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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Replied by David James on topic Remote Astrometry

Let's also take a look at the permissions of the astrometry files themselves:

astroberry@astroberry:~ $ ls -lh /usr/share/astrometry/
total 9.7G
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 101M Dec 7 2014 index-4202-00.fits
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 104M Dec 7 2014 index-4202-01.fits
... etc ...
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Replied by vince on topic Remote Astrometry

astrometry looks good:
Installed: 0.67+dfsg-1

kstars-bleeding (presumably this is the issue?
Installed: (none)

permissions:
total 2.3G
drwxr -xr -x 3 root root 4.0K Dec 7 2014 doc
-rw-r--r-- 1 vince vince 179M Dec 7 2014 index-4201-00.fits
etc..
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Replied by David James on topic Remote Astrometry

You must have Kstars from the OS's repository installed? It's possible that version isn't recent enough to support offline astrometry plate solving.

So yes, best get the Kstars from the ppa in the links previously.

To help in daylight and without need of attaching mounts and such, you can create an additional Ekos profile. I call mine "Simulators" and I add a bunch of things like
Telescope Simulator for the mount
CCD Simulator for the imaging camera
Guide Simulator for the guide camera
That allows you to do a certain amount of "playing around".
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Replied by vince on topic Remote Astrometry

Thanks for your help! I installed kstars-bleeding. Will test tonight and report back.
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Replied by vince on topic Remote Astrometry

Yeah... so still doesn't work. Let's go over my setup real quick:

INDI server running on RPi3. Now includes the astrometry driver which i confirmed is running.
I've confirmed that the astrometry program is installed as is Kstars (but I haven't done anything with them... should I be launching Kstars on the pi?)
Kstars/EKOS client is a Windows 10 machine.
The equipment profile has Astrometry as an Aux driver.
We've confirmed the index files are where they are supposed to be and permissions are ok.
I get the same behavior: it captures a picture, sends it to the solver and then solver fails.

What else can I try?
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Replied by Jasem Mutlaq on topic Remote Astrometry

On Windows, Offline is not available, so you have to select remote and select Astrometry driver in your equipment profile.
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Replied by vince on topic Remote Astrometry

Yes, that’s what I’m doing and still solver fails. Any ideas how to troubleshoot?
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Replied by David James on topic Remote Astrometry

I didn't realize you were accessing the RPi via KStars running in Windows; I thought you were running KStars directly on the RPi but via a VNC or browser interface from Windows.

I haven't yet set up a remote astrometry solver. As you're running Windows on your workstation, you don't have much choice in the matter, but I wouldn't normally set it up with the remote astrometry server running on the Pi as its processing power is limited compared to workstations. I mean I have it running locally on the Pi, but that's to ensure I have it when I'm in the middle of nowhere.

I'll have to look into how to set this up myself.
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Replied by David James on topic Remote Astrometry

After an hour or so at this using my desktop machine as the putative astrometry server and a laptop as the client doing astrometry look-ups, all I get are solver failed errors.

I had the indi astrometry driver loaded and enabled on the server profile (with Telescope Simulator and CCD Simulator) and the same on the client, with it connecting to the server's IP address. Everything appears to load up fine on the client machine. From the server machine, I can do a local (i.e. offline) "Resolve and Slew" on an existing FITS but when I try that on the client with "remote" set it just fails.

Is there a guide somewhere detailing exactly what has to be configured for remote astrometry to work, on both the server machine and the client machines?
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Replied by vince on topic Remote Astrometry

Ok, will give up on this. I installed ASTAP on my Windows machine (client) and it works great! It is blazing fast - solved in 0 seconds. Works for me. Thanks for your help.
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Replied by David James on topic Remote Astrometry

I eventually got it working... it seems the Remote solve is far more sensitive to insufficient astrometry.net FITS files than a local offline solve on the very same machine...? I'm not joking here: it would regularly solve on the host machine as "offline" but would continue to fail to solve when launched from the laptop in "remote" mode.

So really load up on the astrometry.net FITS on your solving host machine.

The host machine profile needs to have the INDI Astrometry driver loaded and enabled (enable it in the INDI Control Panel).

If the Astrometry driver isn't loaded on the remote host, you get a message on the local machine:

"Cannot set solver to remote. The Ekos equipment profile must include the astrometry Auxiliary driver."

But confusingly, that's not referring to the Ekos equipment profile on the local machine, but rather on the solving host machine. Moreover, you'll get that message if the Solver isn't enabled on the remote host machine, even if the Astrometry driver is loaded. I haven't been able to consistently bring it online from the outset.


Overall this all seems a little bit less useful than I first imagined. Let's suppose you've got a limited-capacity device like an Astroberry at your mount doing direct mount and camera control which you access over VNC/browser, but you've also got a powerful server machine elsewhere on the network. It would seem to make sense to install astrometry.net and its FITS files on the server machine while letting Ekos on the Pi do lookups to that machine, but you can't: the Astrometry driver is tied to the rest of the INDI controllers on the host machine, meaning it has to be on the Astroberry*. Now if instead you've got the Astroberry just running as a barebones INDI server while running Ekos on your desktop machine, you might as well just run the solver on your desktop in 'Offline' mode. It's only if you have Windows and you can't run astrometry.net locally does 'Remote' make any sense.

*You might be able to do this by changing the API url of the solver in the Astrometry.net options and then using the "Online" solver, but you're going to have to configure yourself an astrometry server, if that's even possible.
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