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KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

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Thank you John, Nou.

I took into account your remarks, and I believe I reached a non-textbook-orthodox-solution, at very least, it seems persistant through various autofocus procedures with different filters. Nevertheless, I'll continue studing it since this is much deeper as I thought, considering John's remarks.

I measured microns/tick and it is 0,7636 microns/tick. My resolution is 0,96 arcsec/pixel with a 203/800 Newtonian using ASI1600MM (sensor with pixels of 3,8microns and 4656x3520) I believe I also introduced wavelengths by filter (roughly)

I'm sorry but I skept what advisor propose me: 18 ticks with x5 multiplier. I went to 75 ticks initial step with No OverScan and no multiplier because I changed the algorithm to use to Polynomial and increased tolerance to 10% (instead of 5%, I tested with 20% and 10%, I can imagine the lower the better focused image) Seeing and temperature difference of the primary and ambient is something that should be seriously considered. I could say before that it was important, now I believe is critical!

You can see all parameters below. Like I said, solution is not orthodox (I ignored advisor) but it seems to work so far.

I'll keep testing and improving my knowledge!
BTW: Among the screenshots there is the solution autofocus found for L, Ha, Oiii & Sii. Next step I'll try the "Offset Generator" to put more time on imaging and less on focusing.



Many thanks for your advices!
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Replied by MORELLI on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Hi everybody,

I am discouraged ! I install the last update of Kstars, after reading the messages on this post. I made tries this afternoon in simulation mode. It seems AF was running well. I made tries on the real sky this night. No way !!!!! No real V-curve, no reproductibility !!! No stars detection I see on the screen !

My setup: ED80 with reducer 0.85, ASI183MM, Focuser DIY based on Robert Brown model. It runs well with NINA !
step size=7,9 micron. I start the autofocus near the focus point, made with Bahtinov.

How is it possible to have this v-curve with two point at the opposite with the same HRF ?

The internal plate solver crashes.
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Replied by John on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Hi Jason,

Glad things are starting to work for you!

The 18 ticks is probably too small for the step size. I normally would use a tolerance of 1 in the CFZ screen to get the tick size which would turn the 18 into 54 ticks. Its just a starting point and if 75 works for you then fine.

I suspect the Advisor is suggesting the 0.33 tolerance which is why you got 18 ticks. I'll look into changing that.

I would recommend using Linear 1 Pass as I personally believe it to be more accurate than Polynomial but obviously its your choice.

Let us know how things go!
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Replied by John on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Hi Morelli,

Sorry you're having these struggles.

So first off, did you do anything with my previous recommendations here?
www.indilib.org/forum/ekos/13911-kstars-...autofocus.html#96295

However, looking at your recent log most of the time you don't have any stars which is why focus is failing. Sometimes you detect 1 or 2 stars hence the odd shaped curves but mostly no stars. I didn't look into plate solving, but that won't work either without any stars.

If you see an HFR = -1 that usually means no stars were detected.

So why no stars?

I see you started out using a Gain = 0. Then you went to Gain = 270 but still failed to detect any stars, then to Gain = 450 with the same result. You tried 1s and 2s exposures. Just googling your camera ASI183mm pro, looks like unity gain is around 120 so probably makes sense to use that.

Given you have a widefield with the SW 80ED, I would expect you to be detecting literally hundreds of stars.

I can't see anything obvious in the log but the first problem to solve is why no stars. Were any stars visible in the fitsviewer with these images?

Either no stars were visible (clouds, not pointing at the sky, etc) or star detection wasn't working for some reason.

Did you keep any of the focus frames? If so, can you send me a couple.
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Replied by MORELLI on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Hello John,

about plate solve, it was just that I had not installed astronomy.net nor Astap, on my new laptop ! Just a remark, Watney was installed but every plate solve it says :The Watney Solver needs at least 300 stars. Adjusting keepNum to 300. and fails.

I'm rather absent-minded and not very rigorous. So, gain at 0 or no right filter it's unfortunately usual. At least, with good gain, good filter, good sky, yes I could see stars on the viewers when Ekos said no stars ! Moreover,I have imaged quickly NGC869 during this night.

I obtain a good focus one time, according the Bahtinov, the judge. Next, the focus passes by a good focus, but it goes on and fails. Or it stops with success but stars are big ballon !

And the v-curve is very strange, with two measures wtih same HDR on very different positions. It is not a v-curve as those I send you from NINA.
With Linear 1 pass, the v-curve is rather flat. With polynomial it is better.

Again, I don't undstand why the focus goes on and on as stars get bigger and bigger. I expect the process stop and go back.

I setup step size=7,9, range move focuser=0-10000. No backlash then backlash > 0.

I'll try to post next time, snapshots of the process and I 'll check the developer option about focus.

Thank for your help.
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Replied by John on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Can you post a screenshot of the SEP parameters screen for the focus profile you're using 1-focus-default please. Its this screen...

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Replied by John on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Hi Morelli,

This is the default SEP parameters used by the Alignment module (not Focus).

If you bring up parameters from the Alignment module, you get specific screens for Alignment, whilst if you bring up parameters from say Focus you'll get to the ones used by Focus.

Can you repost the 1-focus-default parameters (which is what you were using on your last (bad) focus session).

Thanks.
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Replied by MORELLI on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

OK, I understand.I setup Keepnum to 300, but the issue occurs still. I retreive a message about watney.it says it is valuable for .Net write in C#. So, I get is ride off. Intenal, Astrometry.net or Astap run perfectely.
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Replied by John on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Hi Morelli,

Thats still the SEP profile used by Alignment; I need the one used by Focus.
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Replied by MORELLI on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

I apologize, I posted it into an another message. Sorry
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Replied by John on topic KSTARS V3.6.6 and autofocus

Hi Morelli,

That SEP profile looks fine for star detection. So I don't know why you weren't able to detect any stars I'm afraid. I can only suggest trying again and hoping for a different outcome.
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